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Внатрешни несогласувања во исламот |
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svemirski_duh ![]() Сениор ![]() Регистриран: 29.Февруари.2008 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 676 |
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Za onie koi edna troska pamet imaat.
Kako eden gadinar im go pokvaril odnosot na edno drustvo vo koe bile Sufija (Dervis) Odza (Serijatski pravnik) i Sherifija (potomok od Muhammedoviot s.a.w.s rod). Bavcadzijata,rabotejki vo svojot vinograd,zdogledal trojca nepoznati luge kako vrvat preku negovata niva. Eden e vo Odziska drugi e vo Sherifijska i treti vo derviska nosija. No sekoj bil toa samo po nivnata nosija. Treba da najdam nacin,kako tie trojca da gi razdvojam, i toa mi e zadaca,koja sekako ke ja ostvaram. Jas nemozam eden da bidam protiv trojca. i prva zadaca mi e da gi razdelam. Napravil zamka,pa mu se obratil prvo na dervisot, da go izraboti i opanci drugite dvajca. Da bi go odvoil mu rekol na dervisot: Pojdi vo mojata koliba,tamu ima kilim,donesi go da drustvoto tvoe ima na sto da sedne. Posto dervisot otisol na ovie dvajca im rekol: Ti si Odza a ti Serefija,od ugledna si porodica. Nie po tvojata setva jademe leb, a nie,povtorno,so tvoite krila letame. Toj e nas car,sin na nasiot car, gospodin i Mustafin koren (pleme). A koj voi e onoj dervis ? Toj so vas samo se najaduva,so vas odi,ni po sto ne vi odgovara,neugledene. Jas ke go stignam sega i pretepam, taka ke go oddalecam od vaseto ugledno drustvo. Mojot vinograd e vas i se vo nego e vase, vie dvajca ste mi gosti vredni kako moite oci. ...Frlil sumnja vo drustvoto gradinarot, zalosno e koga drustvo pusta somnez megju sebe. Koga go nasol,rekol: O ti dervisko kuce,kako si se osudil da dojdes megju nas,vo mojata bavca ? Gradinarot go udril dervisot,go ranil i otvoril krv, pa taka uspeal vo svojata namera da gi odvoi. Dervisot mozel samo da izusti: So mene e gotovo, uspea,no brakja na patot (refik),bidete vie so otvoreni oci. Ne dozvolite da se raspravate,pa da gradinarot misli deka jas sum daleku od vas,kako toj bi se vovlekol megju vas dvojca. Ovoj svet e kako planina,a tvoite zborovi, tie se kako govor vo planinata,koi povtorno tebe ti se vrakjaat. Posto gradinarot go razdvoil dervisot od drustvoto, sega najde drugi povod,za nova varka,pa rece: Moj cesen Sherifu,pojdi do mojata koliba, donesi go rucegot koj e pripremen. Odi i povikaja sluginkata, pobarajgi od nea dvete jadenja koi ni gi spremi. Posto Serifijata otide,gradinarot mu se obratil na Fakihot: O ti,koj go poznavas pravoto kako Sonceto sjajot,se' razbiras i ucen si,na svoe mesto si. Ovoj Serifija tvrdi deka e pleme na Muhammed a.s a koj znae,so kogo majkamu se srekjavala,pa da bide serifija?! Vo zena ne treba da se ima poverenie, za zenino ponasanje ne vrzuvaj go srceto. Za rod Alijin i Muhammedov,mnogu denes se vrzuvaat, a glupavi se. Koj god otvara zinaluk ili bide negov plod, toj dobrite luge ke gi optuzuva so istite tie prokudi. Kakov e covekot vo svojata osnova,taka i drugite gledaat,dobrite gledaat dobro a losite gledaat loso. Toa sto go rekol Bavcadzijata za Serifijata,toa e negovata momentalna sostojba,a daleku od Resulullahovite evlii. Da ne bil izvor na se' naj loso, nemase da go ogovara Muhammedovoto a.s potomstvo. Go fatil gradinarot Serifijata i mu rekol: O ti magare, vleze vo mojata bavca kako lopov,toa od Pejgamberot da ne ti ostana ? Uste mu rekol: Lavceto lici na Lavot, po sto ti licis na Muhammed a.s. ? Bavcadzijata,izigruvajki se so serifijata,,postapil isto,kako sto postapile haridziite so Ali-Jasin. Bil poln so omraza,kako gjavol. i postapvel kako Jezid i Shamer prema Muhammedoviot a.s rod. Koga Serifijata videl deka propadnal od ovoj nasilnik, mu rekol na Fakihot: Jas izlegov od vodata. Pazi se i cuvaj gi nozete,sega sam ostana. Bidi kako tapan i podnesi gi udarcite. Ostavi na strana sto sum Serif,jas nesum ni dobar drugar,no prema tebe,nesum polos od ovoj nasilnik ! Koga bavcadzijata zavrsil so Serifot se svrtil kon Fakihot (pravnikot),i mu rekol: O pravnice,koj si ponizok od sekoj nikoj ! Tvojata fetva (pravnoto resenie)e odsekuvanje na race,za onoj koj vamu ke dojde,i ke reces ima dozvola za toa ? Dali ovaa dozvola si ja procital vo delot Vasit (Sredno),ili ova delo si go nasol vo Muhit (Golemo) ? Pravnikot mu rekol: UDRI,UDRI,IMAS PRAVO,,, PRILIKA TI SE UKAZALA. KOJ SE ODVOJUVA OD DRUGARI,TOA I ZASLUZUVA ! |
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Aisha ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 03.Декември.2007 Локација: Palestine Статус: Офлајн Поени: 1119 |
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Temp. sto se slucuva so tebe. Nemoze ni normalna diskusija da se razvie od tebe.
Temata koja ja nacnavme tuka e za REGISTRIRANJE NA VERSKI ZAEDNICI - CITAJ V E R S K I Z A E D N I C I. Ona sto ti go spomnuvas kako problem so ovoj zakon NIKAKO NE SE k*rDITE I ARAPITE, NAPROTIV..... Znaci Arap i k*rd mozat da bidat dervisi i da baraat svoja VERSKA ZEDNICA.... Znaci posebni verski zaednici koi se pottiknati od razlicnoto tolkuvanje na islamot ( kako pr.) A vo sekoja zemja (Evropska) postojat zaednici na narodi. Zaednica na bosnjacite, albancite, makedoncite.... No site tie deluvaat na KULTUROLOSKI PLAN, I ZA NIV VAZI KAKO STO KAZAV DRUGA PRAVNA GRANKA, I DRUGI USTAVNI CLENOVI. Znaci temata e za POSTOENJE NA NOVI VERSKI ZAEDNICI, bev sovrseno jasna vo predhodnite postovi, no za oni koi nemaat nikava antipatija kon islamot, i sekoja pojava kolku i da ne se dopaga, vednas se zema islamot kako primer ili konkretno muslimanite. Oladi covece...... |
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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!
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zidarski ![]() Сениор ![]() Регистриран: 17.Декември.2007 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 4385 |
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Темплариус и Требо - малце оладете ја дискусијата!
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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Jas sto imav ti rekov a ti ne provociraj i glej si rabota...
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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
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trebo.r.a ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 24.Јануари.2008 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 356 |
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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A ti sto e da ne imas temeperatura pa ne mozes da svatis citaj si misli si pojasnuvaj si sam - jas da ne sum ti brat pa da ti pomagam....sto i da kazam na kraj ce go pobies so toa sto tvoeto mislenje ce go nametnuvas kako najvistinito i najispravno zatoa ajde idi i nekoj drug masiraj.
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Give me your secrets
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trebo.r.a ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 24.Јануари.2008 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 356 |
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abe ne ubeduvajme sega shto ima a shto nema.na kakva verska organizacija ti lici PKK?.objasnimi.
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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The k*rds are the largest stateless nation in the world today. Considerable research has been done on the k*rdish people and their relations with the states in which they live. Traditionally these inquiries have explored this ethnic group’s interaction with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkey. However, few studies have been done on the diaspora relationships k*rds have established with states outside k*rdish homelands. The internal political situation of Turkey has become relevant for neighboring states. The movements’ struggle for statehood has moved into the countries of the European Union, with specific intensity in Germany. It is estimated that about 500,000 k*rds live within the borders of Germany and consider it to be their home. However, as they were once courted and gladly received with open arms by Germany’s industrial sector, they have recently worn out their welcome as their conflict and separatist movement has become internationalized and taken root on German soil. Germany, in many respects, is no longer able to control the flow of refugees coming from traditional k*rdish homelands. The German government is being pressured from k*rdish contention, especially from the radical k*rdish Workers’ Party (PKK).
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~fredr/k*rds.htm Vidis deka ima i toa mnogu.... |
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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The German government is afraid k*rdish groups will institute a new wave of terror on German soil like what occurred in the early 1990s with one difference; this time the Turks will respond to the demonstrations. Germany will be then a battle ground. Is the German government afraid of this? Obviously, yes. This is the most important factor for this decision, even though Schroeder said, just like the prophet Solomon, that "our decision serves to keep the peace of justice." The question is what peace and for whom? The reality is that in a historical context Germany is a new actor in this conflict. It is to be expected that Turkish-German relations will become worse than the already low level it they are at the moment. Before the German elections in September, all analysts agreed that under a social democrat government in Germany the k*rdish question would be a thorny issue between the two countries. Today it has become a reality. Germany suggests that Ocalan should be brought before an international court or an EU tribunal. Why is Germany insisting on this international court? Turkish Justice Minister Hasan Denizk*rdu has said that Germany's decision not to seek Ocalan's extradition even though German courts had issued arrest warrants, as a "justice scandal." Ocalan knew that the Schroeder government would not like to have him.
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Give me your secrets
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trebo.r.a ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 24.Јануари.2008 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 356 |
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Изменето од trebo.r.a - 19.Април.2008 во 01:44 |
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Messenger ![]() Администратор ![]() Vo ovoj svet, no ne od ovoj svet Регистриран: 21.Април.2006 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 18208 |
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Ne znam kako toa ovoj zakon im se vraka kako bumerang? Kako mozhe pravoto na sozdavanje verski zaednici da bide negativen za drzhavata? Navistina ne mi e jasno, pa objasni ako mozhesh.
Temava stanuva interesna. |
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Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma.
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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When we see countries such as Belgium classifying Southern Baptists, Quakers, Hasidic Jews' communities and Quakers as ''sects'' in an attempt to justify or legitimize violations of the fundamental rights of these groups and their follows.
When countries, such as France, pass legislation such as the About-Picard bill, it is imperative for this Subcommittee to act—to address the root causes of the problem; to investigate abuses; and, most importantly, to dissect the policies and laws, in order to assess the impact that these may have on the actions of other governments. Upon passage of the French legislation on May 30, Ms. Picard, one of its authors, told the media that France was the ''leader'' in this field, and that ''Foreign parliaments are closely observing our actions, such as Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal and former Eastern bloc countries.'' State Department officials have confirmed that many of these European countries are considering similar legislation. It has been widely reported that China's Communist leaders are studying the French precedent for possible use against the Falun Gong movement. And just yesterday, Joseph Bosco who teaches at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, wrote in an article in The Washington Post that ''Chinese officials now triumphantly canvass American academics, touting the French law as partial vindication for China's much-criticized human rights practice.'' Why the fear about the French law will become the norm, rather than the exception? To reiterate, it creates new arenas for religious discrimination and violations of fundamental liberties. Eve sto zakonot vo EU ima napraveno i doprva ce pravi.... |
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Give me your secrets
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Templarius ![]() Сениор ![]() ![]() Регистриран: 12.Февруари.2008 Локација: Macedonia Статус: Офлајн Поени: 2754 |
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Da ama na EU toj zakon sega i se vraca kako bumerang so toa sto se se slucuva po Francija so Arapite, Germanija kade sto k*rdite pravat problemi i najpovredena so toj zakon ispadna Britanija ...... |
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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
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Messenger ![]() Администратор ![]() Vo ovoj svet, no ne od ovoj svet Регистриран: 21.Април.2006 Статус: Офлајн Поени: 18208 |
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Da, mozhe da se protolkuva kako borba za mok i vlijanie vrz vernicite...
Poradi tie prichini, za da gi izbegnat postojanite raspravii i tenzi, EU verijatno donela zakon site da imaat pravo da si formiraat svoi zaednici. Dobar politichki poteg. Od organizacii so eden dekret gi unapredile vo zaednici. Tolku. A stom site se zaednici, odednash ja snemuva vazhnosta na zaednicata kako takva i ostanuva samo nejzinoto ime... I volkot sit i ovcite na broj, sto bi rekol narodot ![]() |
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Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma.
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